# Re: Fuzzy Logic - why?

Carlos Gershenson (carlos@jlagunez.iquimica.unam.mx)
Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:52:09 +0100 (MET)

On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Robert Dodier wrote:

> WSiler <wsiler@aol.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > [...] the definitions of excluded
> > middle for multivalued logics are A AND NOT A = 0, and A OR NOTA = 1. The
> > failure of max-min fuzzy logic to obey these laws is why conventional
> > fuzzy logic does not obey excluded middle and contradiction.
> >
> > If the bounded sum and bounded difference operators are used when both
> > A and NOT A appear in the same proposition, then these laws are obeyed.
> > If A dnd NOT A do not appear in the same proposition, then excluded
> > middle and contradiction don't arise, and you can use any multivalued
> > logic you please for whatever reason.
>
> I see a difficulty here -- suppose that we need to know "A and not B",
> or "A or not B" where B is not the same as A but it is dependent or
> correlated with A.

Regards, Carlos

>
> (E.g., A = "temperature sensor 1 is very high", B = "temperature sensor 2
> is very high" -- where the sensors are measuring the same process, so
> they're meant to be redundant.)
>
> Then "A and not B" ought to be close to false and "A or not B" ought to
> be close to true, but that's not what you get if you use ordinary
> min-max operators -- thus I don't think "you can use any multivalued
> logic you please for whatever reason."
>
> One work-around is to exclude propositions containing dependent or
> correlated variables -- however, such variables are extremely common,
> and dependence can often arise in subtle ways. Is there a better way
> to patch fuzzy logic so that dependence is handled correctly?
>
> --Robert Dodier
>
>
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