Re: Q. distinction between 'Tall' and 'Tallest' ?


Subject: Re: Q. distinction between 'Tall' and 'Tallest' ?
From: Jeff (MissingLink@n2mail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 03 2000 - 19:06:53 MET DST


I read my last post but I don't think I made it clear that I see
'tall' and 'Tallest' or 'Score' and 'Best score' as distinct
domains.
I think (hope) the 'Score' and 'Best Score' scenario is a more
explicit, descriptive example of what I'm after.

Bye

>
> What I have is a fixed population. So I only need to 'know'
> relative to it.
>
> 1.So although 4'10'' may be 'globally short' if I have a population
> of 10 and the rest are 4' then 4' 10'' is 'talllest' or 'supertall' or
> whatever.
>
> 2.If the population is 3 and we have 4'10'' and 2@4' then 4'10'' is not
> as 'supertall' as it would be above.
>
> 3.Similarly, if population is 3 and we have 4', 4'6'' and 4'10 then 4'10
is
> not as 'supertall' as in 2.
>
> Does this make sense ? It does to me :)
>
> I think you could do the same with any type of score - you can measure
> against
> the 'absolute(ish)' score say marks out of 100, but whats the _best_ score
> given
> the realtive scores of the _fixed_ population ?
>
> Thats why I though there might (must ?) be a general 'standard' way of
> handling this.
>
> Does this make what I'm after clearer ?
>
> Let me know :)
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> <Zunt@aol.com> wrote in message news:24.878d6ec.26b7221f@aol.com...
> > In a message dated 7/31/00 12:07:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > MissingLink@n2mail.com asked about:
> >
> > > the ubiquitous 'Tall'
> >
> > Seems to me that the word is devoid of meaning without having a context,
> > whether that context be explicit or implicit. And the same problem--as
> you
> > describe it--would apply to "fast" motor speeds among various
alternative
> > populations of motors. Maybe I misunderstand the question, but I'll
> blather
> > on anyway, and someone can correct me if they think I'm being
misleading.
> >
> > Most people describe me as being "tall," for example, and generally mean
> > (implicitly) that I'm tall when compared to most of the people they have
> > encountered to date. Someone might easily say, however, that I am not
> tall
> > when compared to the population who are professional athlete members of
> the
> > National Basketball Association. I'm 6'5". And I'm shorter than a great
> many
> > things on the planet.
> >
> > So I don't really *know* what the "standard membership function" for
> "tall"
> > is or might be. I suspect that Bart Kosko would say we would find that
> > function by taking lots of polls. My understanding of fuzzy logic
> > encourages me to think that the membership function [not the standard
> > membership function] is just what I say it is, and depends on the
context
> I
> > choose to express along with it. Without that expression of context, I
> think
> > it's very tough to make a statement that is useful, let alone accurate.
> >
> > What are alternative adjectives (or granules, as Zadeh called them the
> other
> > day--see note below) along the same continuum? Short, very_short,
> very_tall,
> > medium, etc. Those words or hedged words are just as ubiquitous as is
> > "tall." Arbitrary variable names can be subsituted for them without
> killing
> > off the central idea. But we must always establish the context before
we
> can
> > make much--if any--meaning: Perhaps we're talking about tall human
> dwarves
> > or short human giants. Perhaps we're talking about dogs. Perhaps
> buildings.
> > The roof of a short skyscraper is higher than the roof of a tall
cottage.
> >
> > Hope this helps...if not, do write back.
> > ---
> > note:
> >
> > Lotfi Zadeh wrote, in part:
> >
> > "By fuzzy granulation of a variable, X, what is meant is a partition of
> the
> > range of X into fuzzy granules, with a granule being a clump of values
of
> X
> > which are drawn together by indistinguishability, similarity, proximity,
> or
> > functionality. For example, fuzzy granulation of the variable Age
> partitions
> > its values into fuzzy granules labeled very young, young, middle-aged,
> old,
> > very old, etc."
> > ---
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Bob Briggs
> > Westport, MA
> > -------------------------------------------
> > zunt@aol.com
> > http://members.aol.com/zunt/
> >
> >
> >
>
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